Engraving Forum.com - The Internet's Largest and Fastest Growing Engraving Community

The Internet's Largest and Fastest Growing Engraving Community
Discuss hand engraving using basic to the most advanced methods and equipment
Forum Members: 14,638. Welcome to our newest member, cmaddox
EngravingForum.com - Domain since Feb 7, 2003

Graver Video Conferencing is empty Join now!


Go Back   Engraving Forum.com - The Internet's Largest and Fastest Growing Engraving Community > Forums > Tutorials and Contests - Hand Engraving Forum
ENGRAVING TOOLS - Paypal accepted Classes Glossary Feedback Tips Sharpening Bulino Videos Forum Policies

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 04-30-2008, 01:02 AM
rbaptiste's Avatar
rbaptiste rbaptiste is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Modave (Belgium)
Posts: 1,133
Default Drawing project

Few people ask me to know how make a project.
I show you my method with Photoshop.
Of course you can start with a picture of part of knife or other. Here is a part of gun.

1 when I make the extern line of my part to engrave, I begin to draw with pencil.


2 When my extern line is finished I scan the picture and I complete the background with black paint with photoshop




3 When is complete, you print this picture and you draw the shadows lines with pencil.



This proceed is for me easier and clean.
Now I hope see your beautiful project ;-)
__________________
http://rbaptiste.com
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-30-2008, 05:27 AM
kcrutcher kcrutcher is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 397
Default Re: Drawing project

Very Nice Roland. You do very beautiful work. I would like to see your project when finished.
Kenneth Crutcher
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-30-2008, 06:13 AM
Daniel Houwer's Avatar
Daniel Houwer Daniel Houwer is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Haarlem, Holland
Posts: 2,124
Send a message via Skype™ to Daniel Houwer
Default Re: Drawing project

Thank you Roland! Very nice indeed.

Greetings,

Daniel
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-30-2008, 10:12 PM
rod rod is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 623
Default Re: Drawing project

Roland,

This is an excellent and very clear posting!

Thank you

Rod
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-01-2008, 06:31 AM
Tim Wells's Avatar
Tim Wells Tim Wells is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Dallas, Georgia
Posts: 1,077
Default Re: Drawing project

That's it, I gotta get Photoshop. Nicely done Roland!
__________________
"If one needs a tool, and does not acquire it, they end up paying for it, but not having it." - Henry Ford
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-02-2008, 05:54 PM
NevadaBlue's Avatar
NevadaBlue NevadaBlue is offline
Steel
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Under the blue Nevada sky
Posts: 83
Default Re: Drawing project

Roland, do you then freehand the engraving, just looking at the layout? Or do you transfer it somehow? I find having a large print of the thing I've transferred helps me, but the freehand is still way beyond me.
__________________
Remember, it could well be that your only purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-02-2008, 11:58 PM
rbaptiste's Avatar
rbaptiste rbaptiste is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Modave (Belgium)
Posts: 1,133
Default Re: Drawing project

Nevadablue, I draw with free hand and after if it is possible I transfer it with laser transparency and Dammar.
When the metal who must be engrave is curve is difficult to transfert it and I must do with free hand ;-)
__________________
http://rbaptiste.com
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-03-2008, 06:19 PM
kcrutcher kcrutcher is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 397
Default Re: Drawing project

Roland

You must have a very steady hand to make such fantastic drawings.

When you do laser transparency and damar transfer do you use acetone.

Or does the Damar itself pick up enough of the Image.

I have done laser and damar transfer using mirrored image on plain paper and applying acetone to back side of paper with fairly good results.

Would you mind giving a step by step the way you do it.

Kenneth Crutcher
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-04-2008, 12:43 AM
rbaptiste's Avatar
rbaptiste rbaptiste is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Modave (Belgium)
Posts: 1,133
Default Re: Drawing project

You can see a few transfer method here http://www.EngravingSchool.com/private/transfers.htm
Me, I used this one ;-)
Materials needed:

Laser printer and clear acetate paper (or other papers)

Process:
Modify a laser printer by disabling the heat rollers that the paper goes through before it exits the machine. The heat is used to melt the toner onto the paper, and by disabling the heat, the toner will not melt and set itself to the paper or acetate. When the paper exits the machine, the toner is just laying on the surface of the paper and can be easily wiped off. You are on your own disabling the heat to the rollers in your printer. Each laser printer is a little different, with "smart" sensors that seem to know if something isn't working like it should. I haven't been successful disabling the heated rollers on my HP 4P laser printer, but on the old HP 2P machine it was possible.

Rather than disabling the heat rollers in the printer, it will also work to just shut the printer off before the paper gets to the heated rollers, or you may open the toner cartridge door on the printer to stop the paper (or acetate) before it gets to the heated rollers. It takes some experimenting to know when to open or shut it off, but when successful, the powdered toner will be unset and just laying on the acetate or paper.

Make sure to print the design in reverse. Next, put a fine coat of damar varnish or shellac on the metal where you want the design. Carefully tape the acetate (with the toner face down) into position. Use a finger nail or a plastic burnishing tool, and rub on the back of the acetate. The toner will stick to the varnish.
__________________
http://rbaptiste.com
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-04-2008, 02:40 PM
thinair33 thinair33 is offline
Steel
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 19
Default Re: Drawing project

Roland,

Thanks
for taking the time to do such a marvelous tutorial. I appreciate your efforts.
Great scroll design.

James
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 05-04-2008, 06:21 PM
kcrutcher kcrutcher is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 397
Default Re: Drawing project

Roland

Thanks for the transfer explanation.

Now I just have to figure out how to disable the heat rollers in my HP Laserjet printer.

Kenneth Crutcher
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 05-05-2008, 10:20 AM
SVD's Avatar
SVD SVD is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 2,555
Default Re: Drawing project

I wonder if you can manage to put a switch in to manually enable / disable the fuser - that way you can use the printer for 'regular' printing as well.
__________________
Enjoy!

Steve :->
(KCSteve in most forums)
SVD's Photo Album
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 05-05-2008, 05:18 PM
thinair33 thinair33 is offline
Steel
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 19
Default Re: Drawing project

I am wondering if you could put a switch and a resistor in so the printer thinks the heater is on. I know a few models have sensors on the load side of the rollers for heat, jams, and toner presence.
You would need to figure the load of the heat function and use the switch to bypass and load on the resistor.

Maybe....
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 05-06-2008, 12:40 AM
rbaptiste's Avatar
rbaptiste rbaptiste is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Modave (Belgium)
Posts: 1,133
Default Re: Drawing project

In my printer, the furnace is torn off and it is necessary to extinguish the printer after each impression because it is put in error after impression.
__________________
http://rbaptiste.com
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 05-10-2008, 12:14 PM
SVD's Avatar
SVD SVD is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 2,555
Default Re: Drawing project

thinair33's suggestion of switching in a dummy load would make the printer think it was operating correctly (as well as letting you flip the switch back so it is working normally).

But as much power as those things draw you probably need an old-fashioned wire-wound resistor that can sit safely inside a screen enclosure and act as a space heater.
__________________
Enjoy!

Steve :->
(KCSteve in most forums)
SVD's Photo Album
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 05-31-2008, 11:30 PM
mckeenh's Avatar
mckeenh mckeenh is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Stevensville, Mt
Posts: 812
Wink Re: Drawing project

thanks Roland, We can all use a little more info in all aspects of this field. I don't think any of us know it all from photography to drawing inlay to carving to engraving, It is all a part of our art and takes many hours in each field to excell.

Neil:yesnod:
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 10-15-2008, 12:45 AM
rbaptiste's Avatar
rbaptiste rbaptiste is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Modave (Belgium)
Posts: 1,133
Default Re: Drawing project

Yes Neil, I think the engraving it isn't only engrave but it is all: sensibility, photography, knowledge,... it is a work for a life.
__________________
http://rbaptiste.com
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 10-15-2008, 02:42 AM
SEngraver SEngraver is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: UK.
Posts: 3,484
Default Re: Drawing project

Morning RolandBaptist,
You have good drawing skills and hence the good sketch.Where can one get Dammar varnish or shellac,I`ve tried not easy,and once you have it is it something used straight from the pack?I seem to get different ways of using the dammar.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 10-15-2008, 02:47 AM
rbaptiste's Avatar
rbaptiste rbaptiste is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Modave (Belgium)
Posts: 1,133
Default Re: Drawing project

Uou can desolve your Dammar with therebentine maybe 2/3 Damar 1/3 Therebentine
You musn't put a lot varnish just a little
__________________
http://rbaptiste.com
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 10-15-2008, 03:54 AM
Roger B2 Roger B2 is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Posts: 345
Default Re: Drawing project

Mohd,
You can get the Dammar Varnish at art suppliers without too many problems.
Aussie Roger
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 10-16-2008, 02:36 AM
SEngraver SEngraver is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: UK.
Posts: 3,484
Default Re: Drawing project

Thanks Roger,Thanks Signor Baptiste,
I got some on ebay.there is two types a yellowish or clear type.Its available in liquid or crystals.I prefer the liquid,and its not expensive,but i am think I might have to experiment with the concetration to use for transfers,
Mo
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 10-16-2008, 04:19 AM
rbaptiste's Avatar
rbaptiste rbaptiste is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Modave (Belgium)
Posts: 1,133
Default Re: Drawing project

It is this http://www.talens.com/francais/produ...tikel=24280081
Now you desolve it in 2/3 Varnish with 1/3 alcool or therebentine ;-)
__________________
http://rbaptiste.com
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Conduct
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:49 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.